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Title: ***SPOILER*** Can that kid finish a race without...
Post by: bamanut28 on 11/01/09, 03:57 PM
Can Brad the prick Kessofjalfjoaejfajski finish a race without wrecking the crap out of somone?? I cant wait for someone to kick his ass, and that stupid hair on his chin looks like he shaved JRs butt and pasted it on his face.. Its only going to take 1 guy with nutts (which are few in NASCAR today) to whoop that crap out of him.. Maybe NASCAR with slap it out of him with a fine..
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/01/09, 03:58 PM
That's what I've been saying for awhile... way too aggressive... and people thought Kyle Busch was bad! his failed cross over move on Kurt wrecked half the field...
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Post by: markmartin5 on 11/01/09, 04:02 PM
I used to like Keselowski but now I cant stand him.
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Post by: markmartin5 on 11/01/09, 04:11 PM
That new restrictor plate doesn't seem to help with both Ryan Newman and Mark Martin flipping. Both of those crashes scared the crap out of me.
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Post by: Tanner2488 on 11/01/09, 04:15 PM
I dont know what you guys are talking about... Brad Keselowski is bringing NASCAR back! NASCAR now is just... cars going in circles! The rules that they make are just so stupid! If Sr was still around he would tell NASCAR to bring the old NASCAR back and if they didnt listen... well idk lol. Keselowski yes is aggressive but that's my favorite part! Yes it did wreck alot of the chase contenders but it was AWESOME! True story too! I prayed for the big one... then later in the race i figured there would be no big one... so i told myself... a flip would even it out. Then Ryan Newman saves the day with a HUGE flip!!!!! Luckily he was OK! Then i said my thanks. THEN Keselowski saves the day and causes the Big one! NOW I WAS EXCITED! 1 flip and a Big one! Finally at the last second I notice a car on his roof!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it was Mark Martin, but the race ends with 2 flips and a big one! Again though i was disappointed when i saw that ALOT of the chase contenders got in the big one but that's typical Talladega racing!


Congrats Jamie McMurray!
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/01/09, 04:18 PM
Tanner2488...
crashes are fun to watch, but not fun TO BE IN! Keselowski could have injured Martin or someone else... this isn't destruction derby...  he drives the car like he is th most important one out on the track(this is good in a way), but he needs to RESPECT the other drivers...wait until he hits Stewart, Montoya or Harvick...
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Post by: Tanner2488 on 11/01/09, 04:22 PM
True... He should be a little more respective to the other drivers but i think he was a little excited to hopefully win a second Talladega race and his second win of his career. I would like to see him tangle next year with Stewart, Montoya, or Harvick... It would be cool to see Keselowski the rookie fight off a experienced driver lol. To me, I see a great, aggressive, and accomplished driver in the future. He almost drives like Dale Earnhardt!
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Post by: chadden24 on 11/01/09, 04:23 PM
Screw na$car!!!!!  na$car died when earnhardt did!! we have super late models to see race for real. i just traded my tickets for texas next weekend for ho scale trains!!!
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Post by: Brian Roberts on 11/01/09, 04:24 PM
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Tanner2488...
crashes are fun to watch, but not fun TO BE IN! Keselowski could have injured Martin or someone else... this isn't destruction derby...  he drives the car like he is th most important one out on the track(this is good in a way), but he needs to RESPECT the other drivers...wait until he hits Stewart, Montoya or Harvick...

I wish, I've seen enough of Stewart's idiocy when he plays dirt late model driver and wrecks guys who are trying to make a living at it, and both are great at dishing it out, but not to good when they get it back.
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/01/09, 04:27 PM
people said the same thing about KB=Sr... Kes is kind of like him IMO... but my main problem with him is that he can't get through 1 race without wrecking somebody...
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Post by: coloradojrfan on 11/01/09, 05:24 PM
To me, the basic problem is not Brad, Smoke, Kurt or anyone else...  It is the COT and the Restrictor plate...  You put a wing on the back of the car and guess what, it acts just like, you guessed it, A WING!!  The roof flaps deployed on Ryan's car, but the damn wing just had too much lift. 

Like Ryan said in the post-wreck inteview, NASCAR needs to do away with the COT and the Restrictor plate. 

Today's event (cannot really be called a race) was about as exciting to watch as traffic from a highway overpass.  Until the last 20 laps...  Then a demolition derby broke out...  Go figure....
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/01/09, 05:31 PM
I'll agree with you on the fact about the COT, but no matter what they do at Tally, its going to happen. Especially with overaggressive drivers out on the track...
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Post by: bamanut28 on 11/01/09, 05:42 PM
 Nascar cant paint this box and then tell the driver how to drive in it, I cant stand or believe that they told the drivers how to race because some figured out how to pull away from the pack, thats as close to trying to fix a race as you can get..
Brad being still a rookie needs to chill out or he will receive alot more than he gives there are still a few guys that have balls and will put his arse in the wall and then I don't want to here any whining out of his arse.. What goes around comes around and you damn well better be able to take what you give.. The kid so far has acted like who cares the redneck fans that want to see crashes and not real racing fans like it so its all good, but when his scrawny ass gets put head on into the inside wall we will see how much he cares what those redneck fans think.. With his butt hair chin and giraffe neck and all 110lbs soaking wet we will see how cool he thinks he is when he is on a stretcher going to the hospital.. I use to cheer for the kid but this year and the success has already changed him and not for the good.. I think everyone should start calling him Kyle JR and he wouldnt have any fans if he didnt drive that 88 car in the NNWS, we will see how many still follow him when or care when he is running mid pack racing and probably wrecking Dale JR..
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Post by: jopajoe on 11/01/09, 05:51 PM
The only thing that would have made this better is if Johnson would have been caught up in this wreck.It's racing it happens just never seems to be to the right persons.An if nascar died when Earnhardt (was not god)did then why are we all still here and not supporting eithe Local racing or maybre Indy or F1?
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Post by: Don Colbath III on 11/01/09, 05:54 PM
Nascar isn't racing. It's a 5 hour infomercial.
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Post by: Rick Eve on 11/01/09, 06:01 PM
Nascar isn't racing. It's a 5 hour infomercial.

AMEN!
Title: Re: ***SPOILER*** Can that kid finish a race without...
Post by: jopajoe on 11/01/09, 06:22 PM
Nascar isn't racing. It's a 5 hour infomercial.
It' like that in every sport did you watch any football today?
Steelers wheren't even playing but i seen Troy's Head and Shoulders commercial like 5 times today.
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Post by: DawsonvilleBill9 on 11/01/09, 06:57 PM
Could you even imagine how it'd be without restrictor plates and the CoT's? They'd be qualifying at 220 MPH and they would actually lap other cars running on the track! Imagine that...shades of the '80's! Damn I loved the old days in NASCAR! And Talladega and Daytona would be superspeedways again!
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Post by: Robert Vining on 11/01/09, 07:30 PM
Look, I don't care for Kesalowski's style either, but when he was right in front of Mark with 30 to go running 2nd and 3rd I was sure as hell rooting for him.

From what I saw of the incident, Brad was bump drafting Kurt down the backstretch when Kurt's car got loose and headed toward the wall.

Now, if I remember correctly, Kurt's rear bumper and right rear quarter panel were all folded under a bit due to an early incident. So I would bet a dollar that played a huge part in the wreck that happened.

As for the name calling... let's leave it off the board please. We can all make our points without calling people prick's and assholes. Ok?

As for all of you bitching about how Nascar used to be... you might want to look outside the half a dozen 'yesteryear' replays they show week in and week out and watch a race from the 80's or even the 90's on ESPN Classic and most of the time there were less than 10 cars on the lead lap at the finish of any given race.

Here's the 82 Talladega 500 where 10 cars finished on the lead lap, 11th & 12th were 1 lap down, 13th & 14th were 2 laps down, 15th 3 laps down and 16th on back was even worse off.
Margin of Victory: 1 car length

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1982-19&series=W

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The next week at Michigan, only 5 were on the lead lap... 6th was a lap down, 7th 2 down, 8th through 12th were 3 laps down.

Margin of Victory: 2 car lenghts.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1982-20&series=W

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1982 Bristol 500
Only 3 drivers finished on the lead lap, 4th through 6th were 1 lap down, 7th 2 laps down and 8th was 5 laps down.

Margin of Victory: 0.70 seconds

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1982-21&series=W

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Fast forward 10 years...

The 1992 Talladega 500 saw only 3 cars on the lead lap at the finish, with 4th though 16th a lap down.

Margin of Victory: 0.19 seconds.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1992-17&series=W

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Two weeks later at Michigan a whopping 12 cars finished on the lead lap... with 13th through 20th 1 lap down.

Margin of Victory: 4.94 Seconds.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1992-19&series=W

1992 Bristol 'Bud' 500 there were only 4 cars on the lead lap. 5th through 9th were a lap down and 10th was 2 laps down.

Margin of Victory: 9.28 seconds.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1992-20&series=W

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Fast forward 10 more years

2002 Talladega 500 - 22 cars finished on the lead lap.

Margin of Victory: 0.118

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2002-30&series=W

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2002 Michigan 500 32 cars on the lead lap

Margin of Victory: 2.285 seconds

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2002-23&series=W

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2002 Bristol 500 - 13 cars on the lead lap, 14th through 19th 1 lap down.

Margin of Victory: .502 seconds

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2002-24&series=W

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2009 Talladega 500 - 26 cars on the lead lap.

Margin of Victory: under caution.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2009-33&series=W

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2009 Michigan 500 - 32 cars on the lead lap.

Margin of Victory: 1.409 seconds.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2009-23&series=W

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2009 Bristol 500 22 cars on the lead lap.

Margin of Victory: 0.98 seconds.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2009-24&series=W

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The numbers above show me there are alot more competitive cars on the track today racing for position than there ever was.

Also, while all of us are bitching about this and that with Nascar week in and week out... chew on this. Over 45% of the adult population watched a nascar race in it's entirety at some point in the past year. Yet no one watches Nascar anymore.
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Post by: Tanner2488 on 11/01/09, 08:11 PM
year 2000 NASCAR was the 3rd most world wide watched sport
year 2009 NASCAR was the 5th most world wide watched sport


NASCAR has dropped in viewers. I still love NASCAR and i have been watching it since i was born. Literately. My 10th Birthday Jeff Gordon won at Indy. The first Indy race, and thats when i became a Jeff Gordon fan. Jeff Gordon now has failed at most tracks, because of the new cars. Plus no matter what... the cars will always get air born. They cant stop cars from flipping. Plus it mostly happens 2 times a year (Talladega) or for some other reason a car flips. (Joey Logano Dover)

Case closed :-)
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Post by: crompe23 on 11/01/09, 08:57 PM
just saying kesolowski was pushing busch but wat spun the 2 was vickers hitting keslowski into the 2
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Post by: cdoucette on 11/01/09, 09:09 PM
I agree with what they were saying on NASCAR Victory Lane, about having too many rules at the Superspeedways, they should not be telling the drivers how to race at cloe to 200mph when the drivers know what to do even though no matter what theres going to be "The Big One". As for the Keslowski incedent, a couple of things happened there, Vickers bump Brad, Brad bumps Kurt and like Robert said Busch already had damage to the back end and right rear quarter.... so really just another racing deal at TALLADEGA where shit like that happens every race.
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/01/09, 09:51 PM
I saw Kes trying to pull a cross over and clipped Kurt... more of a result of him being overaggressive than Kurt's damage... heck Johnson was bump drafting Kurt and there was no issues... granted it was time to go, but he hasn't been able to finish a race without destroying some cars lately...

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Post by: jopajoe on 11/01/09, 10:29 PM
Ya but if this was Dale sr. doing it everyone would like oh it was just hard racing no big deal. ::)
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/01/09, 11:07 PM
not everyone...
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Post by: Brian Roberts on 11/02/09, 07:11 AM
There is a whole bunch of reasons why we see these big wrecks at Daytona & Taladega every time they run there.  Restrictor plate is one big reason, the cars can't get separated and we get 20-30 car wrecks rather than 5-6 car wrecks.  Another big one is the drop in the age of the drivers in the last 10-15 years, in the 80's and early 90's it was pretty rare to see a cup driver under 35 years old in a good car.  Now the top cars are full of aggressive kids in their early 20's who don't have the patience to wait for an opening, they try to make one, and lack the experience and wisdom to realize what can happen when you do try to force things.  If only we could put 43 Mark Martins, Darryl Waltrips, and Terry Labontes on the track we wouldn't have all these big wrecks.
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Post by: bamanut28 on 11/02/09, 09:41 AM
the only way to fix Tally and Day is to not race there period.. the tracks are too big and too fast (without plates) and its only been luck that a car hasnt flown into the crowd yet.. The wing needs to be on a hinge so when the car turns around the hinge breaks and the wing flips forward to spoil the lifting affect.. I like to see crashes every once in a while but not when its the same kid causing them over and over.. Crashes are a part of racing I know Ive been on my roof before..
I agree if you watch the replay Brad didnt hit Kurt square and hooked him thats what sent him towards the outside 1st then Kurt turned it back down in front of the field just trying to save it..
I also agree NASCAR is 10x better than back in the 80s the racing back then you had 4-5 cars that could win each week now we have 20-25 everyweek and at tally or Day you have 35+.. I would not waste my time it was still like it was.. Hell even now I record them and watch most of it in fast forward.. The races need to be shortened to about 60% of what they are now in cup and nnws and run the NNWS and Cup on the same day to make it worth the money of the ticket..
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Post by: Don Colbath III on 11/02/09, 10:28 AM
83 bumped the 09 which pushed him into the 2.
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Post by: DawsonvilleBill9 on 11/02/09, 10:56 AM
Well I don't care what you say Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, DE Sr, David Pearson, Buddy Baker, Richard Petty, Benny Parsons, Neil Bonnett, Tim Richmond and on and on and on! And who can forget the man from Georgia who holds the qualifying speed record in NASCAR, Awesome Bill from Dawsonville? They run circles around the crop we got now!
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Post by: cdoucette on 11/02/09, 11:36 AM
Why should they stop going to the Superspeedways? The Daytona 500 is the biggest race of the year in NASCAR, and the other 3 SS races are ones fans and drivers circle on the calenders. Yes the speeds are insane even with the restrictor plates so there not much they can do about that. With the cars flipping though, well like everyone has stated that wing is a big part of the reason for it, some people laming the restrictor plate because it keeps the cars grouped together, well without it we'd see cars doing well over 200mph which would make it even more likely a car would take flight so I say keep the plates, do something with the wings to help keep the car on the ground and LOS THOSE DAMN RULES AND LET THE DRIVERS RACE. If that happens then we might see much better racing at these tracks because the drivers can try and drive with respect and move around instead of havin nowhere to go like they do now.
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Post by: MattW on 11/02/09, 12:03 PM
I dont know what you guys are talking about... Brad Keselowski is bringing NASCAR back! NASCAR now is just... cars going in circles! The rules that they make are just so stupid! If Sr was still around he would tell NASCAR to bring the old NASCAR back and if they didnt listen... well idk lol. Keselowski yes is aggressive but that's my favorite part! Yes it did wreck alot of the chase contenders but it was AWESOME! True story too! I prayed for the big one... then later in the race i figured there would be no big one... so i told myself... a flip would even it out. Then Ryan Newman saves the day with a HUGE flip!!!!! Luckily he was OK! Then i said my thanks. THEN Keselowski saves the day and causes the Big one! NOW I WAS EXCITED! 1 flip and a Big one! Finally at the last second I notice a car on his roof!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it was Mark Martin, but the race ends with 2 flips and a big one! Again though i was disappointed when i saw that ALOT of the chase contenders got in the big one but that's typical Talladega racing!


Congrats Jamie McMurray!
Sorry man, but I dunno if you saw Newman's interview after his wreck, but you're the kinda "fan" he was talking about that needs to go home.
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Post by: markmartin5 on 11/02/09, 03:25 PM
I dont know what you guys are talking about... Brad Keselowski is bringing NASCAR back! NASCAR now is just... cars going in circles! The rules that they make are just so stupid! If Sr was still around he would tell NASCAR to bring the old NASCAR back and if they didnt listen... well idk lol. Keselowski yes is aggressive but that's my favorite part! Yes it did wreck alot of the chase contenders but it was AWESOME! True story too! I prayed for the big one... then later in the race i figured there would be no big one... so i told myself... a flip would even it out. Then Ryan Newman saves the day with a HUGE flip!!!!! Luckily he was OK! Then i said my thanks. THEN Keselowski saves the day and causes the Big one! NOW I WAS EXCITED! 1 flip and a Big one! Finally at the last second I notice a car on his roof!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it was Mark Martin, but the race ends with 2 flips and a big one! Again though i was disappointed when i saw that ALOT of the chase contenders got in the big one but that's typical Talladega racing!


Congrats Jamie McMurray!
Sorry man, but I dunno if you saw Newman's interview after his wreck, but you're the kinda "fan" he was talking about that needs to go home.
I guess he's been spending alot of time around Tony Stewart.
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Post by: farr on 11/02/09, 03:39 PM
ok kez isnt nearly as bad as stremme :-\. i think tally was the first race i saw him not be in a wreck cuased by himself. :D
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Post by: ShiftNOS18 on 11/02/09, 03:40 PM
watch the Nationwide race at Memphis... Kes was a wrecking ball...
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Post by: farr on 11/02/09, 03:43 PM
i didnt catch that one. ill take your word for it he didnt do to well with the other guys. :D
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Post by: Tanner2488 on 11/02/09, 04:25 PM
Alright i saw a few responses to my saying before. I worded it a bit bad. I mean yes i LOVE the big one. i dont just watch Tally and Daytona for the wrecks! I watch it for the excitement and racing too. I mean they raced AWESOME to me the whole race until the end. I mean yeah they strung out but... OK nvm it sucked when they strung out but other than that... it was and exciting race with all the bumping and rubbing. To me the flips where spectacular but i did have a "moment of 'holy crap is he OK?'"

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Post by: farr on 11/02/09, 04:34 PM
yeah, it scared the hell out of me when they took so long with newman.
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Post by: Tanner2488 on 11/02/09, 04:58 PM
Then again though half way through the process of flipping him back over he said over the intercom that he was alright
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Post by: farr on 11/02/09, 09:51 PM
yeah but till then my stomach felt funny
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Post by: Tanner2488 on 11/03/09, 06:12 AM
Same with everyone else i hope